Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?

by nicolaou in

this topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .

.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.

the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.

Marvin Shilmer

I don't want you to think I'm preaching because I'm not. I could point out web sites where if you even hint that you believe in god they will rip you to shreds and spit out the bones. The language is vile. In fact, I can't believe they can get away with it, but they do. When you join, the first question they ask is 'do you do anal?'. I kid you not. They will treat you unmercilessly. The problem is that there's some serious intellectual heavyweights on the site too. They know BS when they hear it and treat it with complete and utter contempt. Those guys don't whistle Dixie. They are full on. There's a moderator who's very active on the site. He makes sure that the level of abuse is turned up to maximum. He considers freedom of speech to be above all things.

That's pretty much how the original H2O discussion forum was, and i liked it. Over the years I've participated in several different discussion forums, and those with nearly 100 percent freedom to say what you feel like needs saying have been my favorite. I love being able to discard political correctness and just say what needs saying. And, when I'm wrong it's my turn to be toasted. I'm fine with that too.

Sites like that offer a unique glimpse into what folks really think and why. Also, you always get to reply in full to whatever is said, if you want. You're never held back in the slightest (except for illegal acts). It's not an arena that works for the faint of heart or individuals who want to preach without soundness being their ultimate goal. Those who do best in an environment like that are those are want to know what's correct more than being correct.

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

jw
friends

this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

Marvin Shilmer

Jews disfellowshipped men, women and children by stoning them to death. According to the biblical record, many Christians met their end by the hand of Jews disfellowshipping them with stones.

I can't imagine Christians disfellowshipping anyone by a method that amounts to stoning them to death.

Then we have Watchtower.

Watchtower disfellowships men, women and children with isolation. According to what Watchtower's published, isolation is one of the most potent killers, and Watchtower teaches its followers to use it.--(Awake, published by Watchtower, May 22, 1983, p. 15; See: Watchtower Shunning – Deadly by Design )

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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

Marvin Shilmer

OUTLAW,

That image you posted is grotesque, and unfortunately just about spot on.

When will this madness end?

JWs and their children are waiting on JeWatchtower to end it.

PS: A parent who lets this happen, religiously brainwashed or not, has no priority in my mind compared to what's happening to their child here and now. A parent who's unwilling to lay down and die for their child (and, of course, depend on God's mercy for sins hoping for a resurrection!!!) is not worth worrying about.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

That's just anti-sock-racism right there.

Well, the socks are white!

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

I can tell it was a mickey mouse police department because they let Casebolt wear white socks.

Alas! Every time I watch the video that item leaps off the screen at me. I didn't bring it up before because it's a sideshow. But now that you brought it up, I agree.

The right thing for the local Chief to have done was to form his opinions once the investigation was complete, and not before. Sharing an opinion prior to that is very unprofessional, and can be very harmful to the department's morale. You're right, though. It's political.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

Is there any evidence that the girl in question committed a crime?

If someone is interfering with an officer's ability to control chaos at a scene of reported crime then that person is subject to arrest for interfering with a police officer discharging their duty. Often what happens is the individual is neutralized and when things calm down they are released. Just because a person is cuffed does not mean they're going to be arrested for criminal interference, but it is a criminal offense nevertheless.

By "neutralize" I mean an action that essentially removes an individual from interfering. If too many people are meandering around causing needless distraction the neutralizing act might be an instruction sit down and stay in place. If the person complies then that person is no longer interfering. Alternately the same person might be asked to get out of the scene of investigation. Basically this means, 'Remove yourself from the chaos so I can watch for dangers yet unidentified.' If the person complies then any interference they were causing is likely to be neutralized. When someone is doing something that interferes with a police officer carrying out their duty and does not comply with instructions that would remove that interference, the individual will likely find themselves being physically restrained because the officer has other fish to fry and he or she needs to act for the individual who refuses to act responsibly for themselves, the police officers and everyone else's safety.

In the McKinney pool party incident my opinion is the bikini clad gal was interfering with police attempting to control chaos at a scene where violence had been reported.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

The original narrative is specifically a dual one; that there is an institutional problem with how police treat minorities as compared to others in the U.S., and has been for over a century, and, also how police treat citizens in general.

And I when it comes to policing, I don't see any mistreatment based on racial minority in the McKinney pool party incident and I don't see anything I'd fire a police officer over.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

I've been asked privately about the white kid who videoed this episode not being instructed to sit down or leave.

Contemporary police training has spent considerable time addressing the growing and popular practice of common citizens (i.e., not credentialed photo journalists) videoing just about anything and everything, including policing activity. The commonness of this practice together with training has led police officers to be less concerned with people taking video. That is to say, videographers are, these days, less apt to be viewed as an interference or threat (in a melee a camera could be mistaken as a weapon). To the contrary, though someone holding an object in their hand at an incident is going to get the attention of a well-trained police officer, once an officer realizes the person is videoing he/she understands the action of that person and does not view it as a threat or as interference so long as they keep themselves from whatever fray it is they're recording and do not otherwise make movements that could raise alarm.

The kid who videoed this thing says something to the effect that to the police it was like he wasn't even there because he was not instructed to sit down or leave. Because this kid is white, to him this suggested racial bias. Though his assessment is a possibility, it is not the only one. An alternative is that the officers recognized his presence and what he was doing and that it represented no threat or interference, and possibly that he did not remotely fit any profile of subjects reportedly involved in a violent exchange. He was not roaming around getting in anyone's way. He stayed out of the way. If he wasn't viewed as causing interference then he was left to keep doing what he was doing, which was standing out of the way and filming.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

When things happen all the time to certain groups of people in a country it is sensible for people to compare past experiences with current ones... My experience across this country and from family and from friends is that police often lack respect and take liberties they should not.
happens frequently with minorities. The department of justice is aware of it. Recorded history is a testament to it.
people March because they experience it.
the police chief said this officers actions were indefensible.
This country has a history and a current story of those in power using it unfairly because they think the rules do not apply.

When it comes to forming objective determinations of the McKinney pool party incident, what you suggest above is dicto simpliciter.

Until a commonality can be objectively established it’s a logical error to treat a particular situation as though it’s general in nature.

For sake of time and productivity I opt to stick with objective review.

In this case I observed an officer react to a teenager because of that teenager's behavior and not because of that teenager's skin color.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Marvin Shilmer

Those were kids... not police officers. However if you want to do this we can.

I don't see any need to "do this" and THAT was my whole point of sharing the experience, which seems go far over your head. Objectivity would have us refrain from transposing one experience atop another as though there is commonality until that commonality is objectively determined.

I don't see a police officer acting toward the bikini clad gal because she is black. Apparently you do, and it appears you do this because you're transposing one experience atop this one and without regard for the horrible conduct of the bikini clad gal. I see a police officer acting toward the bikini clad gal because of her behavior.